Jack sat down with Tim Ferriss for his podcast The Tim Ferriss Show to talk about meditation, forgiveness, hang gliding and much more. Tim has been listed as one of Fast Company’s “Most Innovative Business People” and one of Fortune’s “40 under 40.” He is a serial entrepreneur, #1 New York Times bestselling author, and angel investor/advisor (Facebook, Twitter, Evernote, Uber, and 50+ more). Best known for his rapid-learning techniques, Tim’s books — The 4-Hour Workweek, The 4-Hour Body, and The 4-Hour Chef — have been published in 30+ languages. The Observer and other media have called Tim “the Oprah of audio” due to the influence of The Tim Ferriss Show podcast, which is the first business/interview podcast to exceed 200 million downloads.

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Show Notes: Finding Freedom, Love, and Joy in the Present

• What’s Jack’s connection with hang gliding and paragliding? [08:49]
• Now 72, Jack recalls his childhood, a brilliant but abusive father, and becoming the peacemaker in his family. [11:51]
• “If you’re going to be angry, do it right.” [18:18]
• Why did Jack make the transition from pre-med to Asian studies at Dartmouth? [20:50]
• The journey from card-carrying hippie to Buddhist monk. [22:32]
• How did psychedelics influence Jack’s spiritual path, and what’s his stance on them today? [24:27]
• Who is Stanislav Grof, and when did Jack meet him? [34:35]
• How did Jack manage to find and study under Ajahn Chah? [38:55]
• Jack’s monk training in Thailand & the suffering he experienced there that was most difficult to endure. [42:53]
• On periods of long silence and out-of-body experiences. [50:37]
• Mystical experiences are not always pleasant. [53:45]
• Tim’s own experience at Spirit Rock. [56:48]
• While in Thailand and Burma, did Jack ever come close to quitting his training and going home? [57:52]
• “Hatred never ceases by hatred, but by love alone is healed. This is the ancient and eternal law.” [1:03:02]
• What advice would Jack have for people with multiple “real life” responsibilities who find it hard to take off long periods of time required for deep inner work? [1:08:40]
• How does compassion differ from empathy? [1:22:24]
• How might technology help us develop and harness compassion? [1:27:14]
• Jack explains loving-kindness meditation & why it’s often effective for Westerners who have trouble with other forms of meditation. [1:28:27]
• On attending the First White House Buddhist Leadership Conference and the mission of CASEL. [1:38:04]
• How a busy or impatient person might get hooked on mindfulness practice, and why love is a superpower. [1:41:53]
• What does Jack recommend for people who have derailed from their path of self-discovery and need to find the way back? [2:04:08]
• Sometimes what might seem like a derailment is just another form of communication required for the time at hand. [2:09:29]
• What self-talk might someone employ when potentially inappropriate anger begins to surface? [2:11:48]
• After his training abroad, what made Jack return to the United States to study clinical psychology? [2:24:53]
• How does Jack use forgiveness to help veterans, gang kids, and others trying to cope with often horrific experiences? [2:29:53]
• An ancient story about a warrior returning home and why community support beats community apathy. [2:34:08]
• Does Jack feel there are problems caused by lack of significant initiation rituals in modern society? [2:39:00]
• Which book of his would Jack recommend for a newcomer to his work? [2:44:22]
• What would Jack’s billboard say? [2:49:05]
• Parting thoughts. [2:50:28]